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UTAU anglais et japonais VCV
« le: 20 février 2013, 15:34:08 »
coucou j'aurais quelques petites questions :

1- VCV

a)  existe t'il un tuto en français pour la configuration des oto.ni  ?

b) pareil existe -il un tuto pour la prononciation car je comprend rien 0.0
 
c) la reclist :

j'ai trouver plusieurs liste toute plus longue et différentes les une que les autres et  j'aurai voulut savoir si il était nécessaire d'enregistrer tout ça ou si il en exister une plus courte  : (elle a était prise d'un utau et attention elle est tresss longue  )

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Re : UTAU anglais et japonais VCV
« Réponse #1 le: 20 février 2013, 15:37:56 »
désoler du double poste mais sa refuse d'afficher la suite (ou c'est moi qui bug )


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existe t-il une liste complète ? car je n'en ai pas trouver

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Re : UTAU anglais et japonais VCV
« Réponse #2 le: 20 février 2013, 16:24:57 »
Une liste en anglais, j'en ai pas vu mais après tu peux la créer toi même (même si cela est un peu long je le sais) Moi je vais m'aider des Vocaloid anglais.

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Re : UTAU anglais et japonais VCV
« Réponse #3 le: 20 février 2013, 16:37:38 »
Pour la reclist Anglaise, sur la video de release de l'UTAUloid Mona Miranai il y a un lien vers celle qu'a créé Cz/Chezzie (c'est bien ellle ?) je crois. Je peux pas te filer le lien parce que je suis sur mon portable, mais je vais éditer dans pas longtemps.
Et pour la VCV, j'avais trouvé un tuto en français il y a trèèèèèèèès longtemps. Si nous avons de la chance, je peux le retrouver et te le filer.

EDIT: J'ai trouvé le vidéo, mais y'a plus le lien pour la reclist. D:
Au pire cherches sur la chaine de Chezzie.
 

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Re : UTAU anglais et japonais VCV
« Réponse #4 le: 20 février 2013, 17:34:41 »
@Runeka
merci
j'ai trouver sa liste  mais je pige pas comment les lire ... *i'm a boulet *
ex:
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shr@shr6shr8shr&n-shr1ng

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c'est ce que je compter faire grâce a luka mais j'ai pas compris comment

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Re : UTAU anglais et japonais VCV
« Réponse #5 le: 20 février 2013, 17:39:35 »
C'est amusant, c'est EXACTEMENT les questions que je me posais! Je commence à comprendre la reclist du VCV( mais les oto.ini, c'est encore trop loin pour moi) et j'ai RIEN compris à la reclist(que j'ai eu beaucoup de mal à trouver) en anglais... Mais il me semble que Chezzie à mis en ligne une vidéo où elle expliquait la prononciation(ou comment enregistrer les sons)
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http://k2-project.weebly.com/
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Re : UTAU anglais et japonais VCV
« Réponse #6 le: 20 février 2013, 18:44:10 »
Ow, en fait, t'as pris un oto.ini pour la reclist japonaise, donc, normal que ce soit long. Voilà la reclist que j'ai utilisé pour Tashi :
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a_a_i_a_u
i_i_u_i_e
u_u_e_u_o
e_e_o_e_n
o_o_n_o_a
n_n_a_n_i
a_o_i_n_u
u_a_e_i_o
o_u_n_e_a

ya_ya_yu_ya_ye
yu_yu_ye_yu_yo
ye_ye_yo_ye_ya
yo_yo_ya_yo_yu
i_ya_i_yu
i_ye_i_yo
n_ya_n_yu
n_ye_n_yo

wa_wa_wi_wa_we
wi_wi_we_wi_wo
we_we_wo_we_wa
wo_wo_wa_wo_wi
u_wa_u_wi
u_we_u_wo
n_wa_n_wi
n_we_n_wo

ka_ka_ki_ka_ku
ki_ki_ku_ki_ke
ku_ku_ke_ku_ko
ke_ke_ko_ke
ko_ko_n_ko_ka
n_ka_n_ki
ka_ko_ki_n_ku
ku_ka_ke_ki_ko
ko_ku_n_ke_ka

kya_kya_ki_kya_kyu
kyu_kyu_kye_kyu_kyo
kye_kye_kyo_kye_kya
kyo_kyo_n_kyo_kya
ki_kyo_kyu_kya_kye
n_kya_kyo_n_kye
n_kyu_ki_kye

ga_ga_gi_ga_gu
gi_gi_gu_gi_ge
gu_gu_ge_gu_go
ge_ge_go_ge
go_go_n_go_ga
n_ga_n_gi
ga_go_gi_n_gu
gu_ga_ge_gi_go
go_gu_n_ge_ga

gya_gya_gi_gya_gyu
gyu_gyu_gye_gyu_gyo
gye_gye_gyo_gye_gya
gyo_gyo_n_gyo_gya
gi_gyo_gyu_gya_gye
n_gya_gyo_n_gye
n_gyu_gi_gye

sa_sa_si_sa_su
si_si_su_si_se
su_su_se_su_so
se_se_so_se
so_so_n_so_sa
n_sa_n_si
sa_so_si_n_su
su_sa_se_si_so
so_su_n_se_sa

sha_sha_shi_sha_shu
shi_shi_shu_shi_she
shu_shu_she_shu_sho
she_she_sho_she
sho_sho_n_sho_sha
n_sha_n_shi
sha_sho_shi_n_shu
shu_sha_she_shi_sho
sho_shu_n_she_sha

za_za_zi_za_zu
zi_zi_zu_zi_ze
zu_zu_ze_zu_zo
ze_ze_zo_ze
zo_zo_n_zo_za
n_za_n_zi
za_zo_zi_n_zu
zu_za_ze_zi_zo
zo_zu_n_ze_za

ja_ja_ji_ja_ju
ji_ji_ju_ji_je
ju_ju_je_ju_jo
je_je_jo_je
jo_jo_n_jo_ja
n_ja_n_ji
ja_jo_ji_n_ju
ju_ja_je_ji_jo
jo_ju_n_je_ja

ta_ta_ti_ta_tu
ti_ti_tu_ti_te
tu_tu_te_tu_to
te_te_to_te
to_to_n_to_ta
n_ta_n_ti
ta_to_ti_n_tu
tu_ta_te_ti_to
to_tu_n_te_ta

tya_tya_ti_tya_tyu
tyu_tyu_tye_tyu_tyo
tye_tye_tyo_tye_tya
tyo_tyo_n_tyo_tya
ti_tyo_tyu_tya_tye
n_tya_tyo_n_tye
n_tyu_ti_tye

cha_cha_chi_cha_chu
chi_chi_chu_chi_che
chu_chu_che_chu_cho
che_che_cho_che
cho_cho_n_cho_cha
n_cha_n_chi
cha_cho_chi_n_chu
chu_cha_che_chi_cho
cho_chu_n_che_cha

tsa_tsa_tsi_tsa_tsu
tsi_tsi_tsu_tsi_tse
tsu_tsu_tse_tsu_tso
tse_tse_tso_tse
tso_tso_n_tso_tsa
n_tsa_n_tsi
tsa_tso_tsi_n_tsu
tsu_tsa_tse_tsi_tso
tso_tsu_n_tse_tsa

da_da_di_da_du
di_di_du_di_de
du_du_de_du_do
de_de_do_de
do_do_n_do_da
n_da_n_di
da_do_di_n_du
du_da_de_di_do
do_du_n_de_da

dya_dya_di_dya_dyu
dyu_dyu_dye_dyu_dyo
dye_dye_dyo_dye_dya
dyo_dyo_n_dyo_dya
di_dyo_dyu_dya_dye
n_dya_dyo_n_dye
n_dyu_di_dye

na_na_ni_na_nu
ni_ni_nu_ni_ne
nu_nu_ne_nu_no
ne_ne_no_ne
no_no_n_no_na
n_na_n_ni
na_no_ni_n_nu
nu_na_ne_ni_no
no_nu_n_ne_na

nya_nya_ni_nya_nyu
nyu_nyu_nye_nyu_nyo
nye_nye_nyo_nye_nya
nyo_nyo_n_nyo_nya
ni_nyo_nyu_nya_nye
n_nya_nyo_n_nye
n_nyu_ni_nye

ha_ha_hi_ha_hu
hi_hi_hu_hi_he
hu_hu_he_hu_ho
he_he_ho_he
ho_ho_n_ho_ha
n_ha_n_hi
ha_ho_hi_n_hu
hu_ha_he_hi_ho
ho_hu_n_he_ha

hya_hya_hi_hya_hyu
hyu_hyu_hye_hyu_hyo
hye_hye_hyo_hye_hya
hyo_hyo_n_hyo_hya
hi_hyo_hyu_hya_hye
n_hya_hyo_n_hye
n_hyu_hi_hye

fa_fa_fi_fa_fu
fi_fi_fu_fi_fe
fu_fu_fe_fu_fo
fe_fe_fo_fe
fo_fo_n_fo_fa
n_fa_n_fi
fa_fo_fi_n_fu
fu_fa_fe_fi_fo
fo_fu_n_fe_fa

fya_fya_fi_fya_fyu
fyu_fyu_fye_fyu_fyo
fye_fye_fyo_fye_fya
fyo_fyo_n_fyo_fya
fi_fyo_fyu_fya_fye
n_fya_fyo_n_fye
n_fyu_fi_fye

ba_ba_bi_ba_bu
bi_bi_bu_bi_be
bu_bu_be_bu_bo
be_be_bo_be
bo_bo_n_bo_ba
n_ba_n_bi
ba_bo_bi_n_bu
bu_ba_be_bi_bo
bo_bu_n_be_ba

bya_bya_bi_bya_byu
byu_byu_bye_byu_byo
bye_bye_byo_bye_bya
byo_byo_n_byo_bya
bi_byo_byu_bya_bye
n_bya_byo_n_bye
n_byu_bi_bye

pa_pa_pi_pa_pu
pi_pi_pu_pi_pe
pu_pu_pe_pu_po
pe_pe_po_pe
po_po_n_po_pa
n_pa_n_pi
pa_po_pi_n_pu
pu_pa_pe_pi_po
po_pu_n_pe_pa

pya_pya_pi_pya_pyu
pyu_pyu_pye_pyu_pyo
pye_pye_pyo_pye_pya
pyo_pyo_n_pyo_pya
pi_pyo_pyu_pya_pye
n_pya_pyo_n_pye
n_pyu_pi_pye

ma_ma_mi_ma_mu
mi_mi_mu_mi_me
mu_mu_me_mu_mo
me_me_mo_me
mo_mo_n_mo_ma
n_ma_n_mi
ma_mo_mi_n_mu
mu_ma_me_mi_mo
mo_mu_n_me_ma

mya_mya_mi_mya_myu
myu_myu_mye_myu_myo
mye_mye_myo_mye_mya
myo_myo_n_myo_mya
mi_myo_myu_mya_mye
n_mya_myo_n_mye
n_myu_mi_mye

ra_ra_ri_ra_ru
ri_ri_ru_ri_re
ru_ru_re_ru_ro
re_re_ro_re
ro_ro_n_ro_ra
n_ra_n_ri
ra_ro_ri_n_ru
ru_ra_re_ri_ro
ro_ru_n_re_ra

rya_rya_ri_rya_ryu
ryu_ryu_rye_ryu_ryo
rye_rye_ryo_rye_rya
ryo_ryo_n_ryo_rya
ri_ryo_ryu_rya_rye
n_rya_ryo_n_rye
n_ryu_ri_rye

va_va_vi_va_vu
vi_vi_vu_vi_ve
vu_vu_ve_vu_vo
ve_ve_vo_ve
vo_vo_n_vo_va
n_va_n_vi
va_vo_vi_n_vu
vu_va_ve_vi_vo
vo_vu_n_ve_va

vya_vya_vi_vya_vyu
vyu_vyu_vye_vyu_vyo
vye_vye_vyo_vye_vya
vyo_vyo_n_vyo_vya
vi_vyo_vyu_vya_vye
n_vya_vyo_n_vye
n_vyu_vi_vye

la_la_li_la_lu
li_li_lu_li_le
lu_lu_le_lu_lo
le_le_lo_le
lo_lo_n_lo_la
n_la_n_li
la_lo_li_n_lu
lu_la_le_li_lo
lo_lu_n_le_la

lya_lya_li_lya_lyu
lyu_lyu_lye_lyu_lyo
lye_lye_lyo_lye_lya
lyo_lyo_n_lyo_lya
li_lyo_lyu_lya_lye
n_lya_lyo_n_lye
n_lyu_li_lye
(bon, ok, j'ai pas tout utilisé)

En gros, les syllabes qui sont reliées par des tirets bas, faut que tu les prononce ensembles. Dans ton premier enregistrement, tu enregistres "aaiau" d'une traite, sans faire de pause entre ces syllabes. Et tu utiliseras en chaque enregistrements en moyenne quatre fois. Par exemple, dans le premier enregistrement, tu as "- a", "a a", "a i", "i a" et "a u" (tu peux même rajouter "u-").

Pour ta reclist anglophone, elle m'a l'air d'être rédigée en SAMPA ou en X-SAMPA, qui est la phonétique pour les logiciels de synthèse vocale (y compris VOCALOID). Plus de précisions ici : http://vocaloid.wikia.com/wiki/English_Phonetics (en anglais). Tu y trouves également la prononciation de cette phonétique (mais sur cette page, uniquement pour l'anglais, sinon, faut faire de grosses recherches en phonétique).
J'avoue que la phonétique SAMPA pour l'anglais est très dure à apprendre (en revanche le français... comment ça, j'ai pas le choix?)
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Re : UTAU anglais et japonais VCV
« Réponse #7 le: 20 février 2013, 18:59:51 »
Si tu vas sur la chaine de Czloid, il y a 5tuto pour utiliser sa reclist Anglaise.

Si je pouvais simplement me permettre de faire un conseil, VCV est un peu plus dur que CV (Japonais), Français est BEAUCOUP plus dur et anglais l'est ENCORE PLUS.

Je conseille personnellement, d'avoir déjà d'excellente base en CV, avant de tenter autre chose. A toi de voir si tu te juges capable ou non d'aller plus loin. Si tu essayes et que ça ne marche pas, essaye peut être d'améliorer tes compétences en CV, ce qui te servira de base pour avancer plus loin.

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Re : UTAU anglais et japonais VCV
« Réponse #8 le: 20 février 2013, 19:15:42 »
Ow, merci Suki pour l'anglais.
Voilà un lien d'un de ses tutos pour les ceux qui ont la flemme de chercher x3 http://www.vocaloidotaku.net/index.php?/topic/30550-english-cv-vc-voice-bank-release-czloid/

Et j'approuve ce que tu pointes : ne pas maîtriser correctement le CV, c'est ne pas maîtriser les bases, et c'est dangereux de vouloir s'attaquer à plus haut niveau, surtout l'anglais, si on n'a pas les bases (voire même, c'est dangereux tout court de s'attaquer à l'anglais). Donc, si tu t'apprêtes à faire ton premier UTAU ou si tu n'est pas bien à l'aise avec, entraîne-toi avant d'essayer un plus haut niveau.

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Re : UTAU anglais et japonais VCV
« Réponse #9 le: 20 février 2013, 19:55:04 »
@Drak-pa

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Ow, en fait, t'as pris un oto.ini pour la reclist japonaise, donc, normal que ce soit long. Voilà la reclist que j'ai utilisé pour Tashi
merci sa fait déjà plus court :)

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En gros, les syllabes qui sont reliées par des tirets bas, faut que tu les prononce ensembles. Dans ton premier enregistrement, tu enregistres "aaiau" d'une traite, sans faire de pause entre ces syllabes. Et tu utiliseras en chaque enregistrements en moyenne quatre fois. Par exemple, dans le premier enregistrement, tu as "- a", "a a", "a i", "i a" et "a u" (tu peux même rajouter "u-").

comme ça sa vas ? ou j'ai rien compris : https://soundcloud.com/yoyopoisson/u-u-e-u-o-test-vcv

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Donc, si tu t'apprêtes à faire ton premier UTAU ou si tu n'est pas bien à l'aise avec, entraîne-toi avant d'essayer un plus haut niveau.

ce n'est pas mon premier utau donc sa devrai aller .... en théorie ...


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Si tu vas sur la chaine de Czloid, il y a 5tuto pour utiliser sa reclist Anglaise

je vais aller voir ça :)

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Si je pouvais simplement me permettre de faire un conseil, VCV est un peu plus dur que CV (Japonais), Français est BEAUCOUP plus dur et anglais l'est ENCORE PLUS.

le français est peut-être mois dure que le vcv fin... a comprendre comment ça fonctionne

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Re : UTAU anglais et japonais VCV
« Réponse #10 le: 20 février 2013, 19:57:20 »
Le Français et l'Anglais ne fonctionnent pas sur un système CV comme le Japonais "basique". Mais pour avoir un Français correct il faut faire du "CV VC" (Va voir le glossaire pour plus d'indication). Et le CV VC est BEAUCOUP plus dur a oto.ini, et énormément plus DUR et LONG a utiliser correctement.

CV plus simple que VCV plus simple que CV VC ;).

(Glossaire : http://miku.vocaloid.fr/index.php/topic,2371.0.html)

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Re : Re : UTAU anglais et japonais VCV
« Réponse #11 le: 20 février 2013, 21:47:26 »
@Drak-pa

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Ow, en fait, t'as pris un oto.ini pour la reclist japonaise, donc, normal que ce soit long. Voilà la reclist que j'ai utilisé pour Tashi
merci sa fait déjà plus court :)

Citer
En gros, les syllabes qui sont reliées par des tirets bas, faut que tu les prononce ensembles. Dans ton premier enregistrement, tu enregistres "aaiau" d'une traite, sans faire de pause entre ces syllabes. Et tu utiliseras en chaque enregistrements en moyenne quatre fois. Par exemple, dans le premier enregistrement, tu as "- a", "a a", "a i", "i a" et "a u" (tu peux même rajouter "u-").

comme ça sa vas ? ou j'ai rien compris : https://soundcloud.com/yoyopoisson/u-u-e-u-o-test-vcv
Après, tu as des reclist en VCV plus courtes, les 7-mora par exemple. Ici, c'est une 5-mora (c'est à dire maximum cinq syllabes par enregistrement contre sept pour le 7-mora).
Ton test me semble un peu rapide, ça risque d'être compliqué de faire un oto.ini propre avec ça.

Concernant le français, tu peux aussi faire du CV uniquement, mais un CV très complexe (va enregistrer des "kstra", "kstri" et autres ensembles de consonne joyeux). Et il faudra tout de même un peu de VC… Et comme le dit SukinaK, c'est dur à faire mais aussi à utiliser. Par exemple, si tu prends la VB tibétaine de Tashi, ce n'est pas rare d'avoir des "bip" à cause d'un son "ak", par exemple, mal utilisé. Encore, le CV, ça va, niveau 1, le VCV, niveau 2, et le CV VC, niveau 10 (nombres sortis au hasard, mais pour se faire une idée).
Donc bon,…

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Re : UTAU anglais et japonais VCV
« Réponse #12 le: 21 février 2013, 00:17:11 »
Je serais toi, pour l'anglais, j'attendrais la release de Teto English, comme ça il y aura une reclist stable, parce que là y'en a plusieurs différentes ><
Perso pour le VCV je trouve pas ça si compliqué, malgré les dires de SukinaK et Drak-Pa, j'ai juste regardé comment étaient fait les oto.ini de Teto VCV et puis c'était bon ^^
Vous pouvez m'appeler Dorkos ou Eliniat (T muet ._.), j'préfère Eliniat mais j'suis plus habitué à Dorkos so XD
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Re : UTAU anglais et japonais VCV
« Réponse #13 le: 21 février 2013, 00:45:51 »
Justement il parait que Teto a des oto mal faits , pareil pour Ritsu & co

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Re : Re : UTAU anglais et japonais VCV
« Réponse #14 le: 21 février 2013, 15:00:58 »
Je serais toi, pour l'anglais, j'attendrais la release de Teto English, comme ça il y aura une reclist stable, parce que là y'en a plusieurs différentes ><
Perso pour le VCV je trouve pas ça si compliqué, malgré les dires de SukinaK et Drak-Pa, j'ai juste regardé comment étaient fait les oto.ini de Teto VCV et puis c'était bon ^^
En fait, le CV nous aide à comprendre comment fonctionne UTAU, et après, quand on a compris, on se lance dans le VCV, car finalement, de manière objective, ce n'est pas tellement plus compliqué que le CV. Mais le CV nous aide vraiment à partir sur de bonnes bases et à comprendre UTAU. Le VCV, c'est un stade supérieur, un CV plus complexe.

Et, oui, Teto a de mauvais oto.ini, mais rien ne nous interdit d'y toucher ;) Ce qui fait sa qualité, ce sont des enregistrements en studio avec une voiceuse qui fait des enregistrements que l'on peut facilement utiliser par la suite.

En tous cas, je sens qu'avec tout ça, je vais faire un petit tuto sur le VCV... quand j'aurai le temps (faut pas être pressé donc)
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